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Author:  JohnThomas [ Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:53 am ]
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Seems to have shifted into being a documentary about feminism/female power. Personally of much less interest to me as a CFNM-fan.

Author:  Brad [ Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:29 am ]
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JohnThomas wrote:
Seems to have shifted into being a documentary about feminism/female power. Personally of much less interest to me as a CFNM-fan.


Actually, I prefer the tact they're taking. CFNM for the most part is currently a male fantasy fetish. CFNM brings together men and only men on such forums as this to sit alone at their computers and masturbate in unison as they are deluded into thinking there are women out there into it as well. It is created to sell porn to men, and only men. Men will continue to resist any change that takes it from a male-only fantasy to be more inclusive of women as they're far more content with masturbating by themselves exclusive of any female participation maintaining a delusion that somehow women - instead of just other men - are part of their collective erotic experience.

When I created the concept of "CFNM" and created Visual Sensations for Women, the emphasis was on "women", and it was to bring the concept to them. And if that means men become less enthralled where women want to take it, great! The key for me is to let women take it to whatever destination they want, even if it means they take ownership of the meaning "CFNM" away from men, because the end result will be participation by *real* women (not just guys impersonating women and posting on these boards), with a dialogue that evolves CFNM into a concept enjoyed and pursued equally by men and women.

It's always been a dream of mine to do that, and hopefully, this is a start towards that dream.

Author:  Superfluous [ Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:53 am ]
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Brad wrote:
JohnThomas wrote:
Seems to have shifted into being a documentary about feminism/female power. Personally of much less interest to me as a CFNM-fan.


Actually, I prefer the tact they're taking.


I have to say I completely agree.

I'm also happy to see that they're very much focusing on women being interviewed for what seems to be every part of the documentary. I still am puzzled by why they would've opted to interview me before interviewing the freaking editor of Playgirl magazine. I'm very much stoked for the fact she's in there. She belongs there. Me?? Not so much.

CFNM has always been, from my perspective, all about the women/women being in the front seat of the situation. The man/men involved are merely passengers on the ride. So, to see the film makers shift things to a more female-first sexual perspective and exploring it, makes it far more interesting to me.

Author:  CFNMSlave83 [ Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:17 pm ]
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I am personally interested in the film the matter what it's focus is. If feminism is the angle that would be interesting as well and it's always interesting to hear female perspectives on female sexuality and interests in CFNM and stuff of that nature as that is something you do not hear very often, because as Brad said it's mostly a male focused fetish that has deviated from the original intention of giving women power in sexual situations.

Author:  Brad [ Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:03 am ]
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Devotional Sex wrote:
What worries me about the film is it seems their approach is likely to be Radical Feminist.

Equality feminism is about striving for equality of opportunity and for mutual respect.

Radical feminism sees the world as a battle between men and women, with men having been dominant in the past and the aim being to reverse this and have men dominating women. The sins that men inflicted on women will now be inflicted on men by women - Victory!

A simple test of whether something is about equality or is radical is to reverse the people involved. So how would the makers of this film have responded to a video clip talking about male vs female made 40 years ago using all the stats showing males in control and influence and using this to prove that females are inferior? Evil propaganda from the patriarchy probably. But how is their clip any different?

Men have a long history of objectifying women without caring how they feel. I fear that this film will be a celebration of women committing the same sin on men. And the kinky men who enjoy being dominated and humilated will be used to prove that this is ok.

For me it doesn't matter if it is two males, two females, or a male and female who are engaging in sexual activity. In each case it should be about mutual respect and doing things that BOTH enjoy. If one person enjoys being humiliated and the other enjoys making them feel this way then I'm happy for this couple to enjoy mutual kinky fun. But if one person isn't enjoying the experience it is wrong.

Of course I'll have to see the final film to find out whether or not they do take a radical feminist perspective. I'll find it very disappointing if they do.


For virtually all religions and cultures, there will always be the "radical _________" (fill in the blank) fringe groups that preach hate. The white supremacist that caused so much grief recently in the U.S. claim their agenda is about God and country and "making America great again" when in fact their radical views are anit-American, at least the America I grew up to respect. If one learns about the fundamentals behind the Islamic faith, you will find much of it is about peace and love of mankind - in fact, up until the late 20th century Muslims were among the most peaceful of religions. What changed how the west views Muslims were were the small minority of radicals that perverted it's meaning to one of hate and violence.

Feminism has not been immune to such radical hate speech. But as with all movements, fair-minded people marginalize those that preach hatred and anger as being on the fringe and not representative of the movement. Unfortunately, the media has an obsession with pointing cameras at the radical fringe of any group giving them far more coverage than they deserve.

Watch this quick video. Milo Yiannopoulos rips apart what "feminism" has become, which has far less to do with equality than it is about hatred of men, and, how the vast majority of women that believe in equality (92%) eschew the label "feminism".

https://youtu.be/M3ij1-VB9YA

Back to the media...as it pertains to their harmful obsession with fringe groups that preach hate, this image really shows the area I grew up, and how the majority of people respond to each other:

Image

Conclusion - the best way for society to deal with the radical fringe of any group that preaches hate is to simply ignore them, not fight them as they aren't worth the effort. Ignoring their hate speech is a hard punch in their face and is like infecting them with terminal cancer, absent people to listen, they'll eventually die and go away.

Author:  WonderWoman [ Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:01 pm ]
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Boring!!

Author:  Superfluous [ Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:58 am ]
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Zack Ryder's wrote:
Look's like the film is not about CFNM anymore.

https://highersexdrive.com


Wow. They've done some MAJOR re-tooling. Take a look at the difference between the casts from CFNM Films to Higher Sex Drive:

https://cfnmfilms.com/cast/

https://highersexdrive.com/cast/

Notice that the male stripper, the element of CFNM, has been removed. I'm now glad I didn't take part, as I would've gotten the axe as well, no doubt. I do, however, still think this will an interesting documentary. Just kinda sucks that they launched it off of our whole community only to seemingly drop us. To a good extent, anyway.

Author:  DaveTheRave [ Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:35 pm ]
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Superfluous wrote:
Notice that the male stripper, the element of CFNM, has been removed. I'm now glad I didn't take part, as I would've gotten the axe as well, no doubt. I do, however, still think this will an interesting documentary. Just kinda sucks that they launched it off of our whole community only to seemingly drop us. To a good extent, anyway.


Who do I sue?

DTR

Author:  doug444 [ Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:51 pm ]
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Superfluous wrote:
Just kinda sucks that they launched it off of our whole community only to seemingly drop us. To a good extent, anyway.


A classic "bait and switch"?

Author:  Superfluous [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:17 am ]
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doug444 wrote:
Superfluous wrote:
Just kinda sucks that they launched it off of our whole community only to seemingly drop us. To a good extent, anyway.


A classic "bait and switch"?


I don't want to disparage the project too much, but one could draw that conclusion from how things have progressed. I mean, they really did have seemingly genuine intentions of bringing CFNM to a much wider audience, while maintaining it's true non-porn industry meaning. I'm holding out hope that the CFNM elements they'd intended at the beginning will still be there to some degree.

Author:  Sombra [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:20 pm ]
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If they kept the CFNM, AnnaMikhailenko would keep coming over here and giving information.

It's a pity because we missed the opportunity to see the CFNM made by women.

Author:  Brad [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:18 pm ]
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Sombra wrote:
If they kept the CFNM, AnnaMikhailenko would keep coming over here and giving information.

It's a pity because we missed the opportunity to see the CFNM made by women.


Anna Mikhailenko's departure was unrelated to either the project or the production group. She was just an intern at the time, and followed her career in a different direction unrelated to any aspects of CFNMfilms. I kept in touch for a while - she's a very kind, sweet young woman. If I were younger and lived near her, I'd definitely would have been more involved.

Author:  Superfluous [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:36 pm ]
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Brad wrote:
Anna Mikhailenko's departure was unrelated to either the project or the production group. She was just an intern at the time, and followed her career in a different direction unrelated to any aspects of CFNMfilms. I kept in touch for a while - she's a very kind, sweet young woman. If I were younger and lived near her, I'd definitely would have been more involved.


I second this emotion. The other 3 I Skyped with at length about the project were very curious, intelligent, & nice people.

Author:  Sombra [ Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:36 pm ]
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Thanks for the clarification.

What I don't know is that if it's not going to be a CFNM documentary anymore, why is it still on the web? http://cfnmfilms.com

Author:  Brad [ Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:18 am ]
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Sombra wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.

What I don't know is that if it's not going to be a CFNM documentary anymore, why is it still on the web? http://cfnmfilms.com


Folks, *they* don't know where this is going and are exploring options, so it serves us no purpose to keep drilling on it as though there's a secret final answer.

Author:  Superfluous [ Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:28 am ]
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Brad wrote:
Folks, *they* don't know where this is going and are exploring options, so it serves us no purpose to keep drilling on it as though there's a secret final answer.


Good point. We'll see it when we see it.

Author:  Travess [ Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:34 am ]
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AnnaMikhailenko wrote:
Sorry that we have been silent for so long. We are currently still in negotiations with broadcasters and distributors.
Bad news: We showed the roughcut to distributors and they did not like the humoristic elements of the roughtcut.

Good news: We went back to the drawing board and re-shot and re-edited a more serious version with the focus more on the female sexdrive. The distributors and broadcasters liked the new. We are now in negotiations with broadcasters and distributors. We have already received an offer from large distributors in the US and are now also waiting for the offers from the UK. We can't say much about the broadcaster yet, but can say that are planning to a major release with the Swedish broadcaster SVT.

We will release 2 version. 1. (cfnmfilms.com) CFNM - Do Women Have A Higher Sex Drive? this will be privately released to all the Kickstarter backers.
2. (highersexdrive.com) Do Women Have A Higher Sex Drive? This film will be publicly released next year. First we will do festivals, then broadcast and VOD.

After the release of the Kickstarter version, we will relink the cfnmfilms.com to forward to highersexdrive.com
Unfortunately we have stopped the forum.
Both version contain CFNM, however the Kickstarter version has a greater emphasis on CFNM. However the other version will be more surprising in terms of what women get up to.

Thank you all for your support, we will keep you updated.

CFNM Team.

Thank you very much for the update...

Travess

Author:  insider [ Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:28 am ]
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just FYI to everyone here :
that picture is of Cheyenne Löhnen and while the member account being used keeps Anna's name,
as Brad has stated, she has not actually been a part of their enterprise for some time now.

Author:  Travess [ Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:14 am ]
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insider wrote:
just FYI to everyone here :
that picture is of Cheyenne Löhnen and while the member account being used keeps Anna's name,
as Brad has stated, she has not actually been a part of their enterprise for some time now.

A rose by any other name and all that (cheers for the clarification though)

Travess

Author:  DaveTheRave [ Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:07 pm ]
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Zack Ryder's wrote:
I have kind of lost interest in the project and gave up on it :o



What’s with all the negative waves? (Oddball in Kelly’s Heroes).

DTR

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